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What would make BF3 gameplay similar to BF2 gameplay?

Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:42 am

I am currently researching what values that would have to be either increased, decreased, disabled or removed in order to create a BF2 gameplay mod for Venice Unleashed. Now, in the first stage it won't be much honestly. I will mostly try to match some of the BF3 values to their BF2 counterpart.

So, what changes would make BF3 similar to BF2? I have created a list of changes that I think would fit nicely in order to create a slower-paced game with less run and gun. I will also look into vehicle handling and such.

Disable:
    Health-regeneration
    Color Correction
    3D Spotting
    Unlimited ammo for Health-Kits
    Unlimited ammo for Vehicles
    Unlimited sprint ?
    Killfeed ? - Who reads it anyway
    Pointfeed
    Response when player is killed
Decrease:
    Sprint Speed
    Maximum Health - Will have to be tested. Can be done by server-settings anyway
    Supression visual ?
    Tank-armor in the back - RPG & C4 in the rear should do more damage
    Jump-height
    Sun-glare

Increase:
    Respawn-time
    Weapon Spread ? - Need to compare the games first
    Reload-time
    Spray Penalty
    Spray Penalty when moving
    Jump penalty
    Squad-size (6)
    Supression-affection ?
    repair-time for vehicles
    Mortar reload-time
    Explosive resupply-time
    Vehicle spawn count ?

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Re: What would make BF3 gameplay similar to BF2 gameplay?

Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:03 pm

Excluding the weapon ammo (which is doable since it's in BF4), most of the stuff you requested are in Hardcore mode... which can also be played in a Custom preset if someone were to host it.
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Re: What would make BF3 gameplay similar to BF2 gameplay?

Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:59 pm

powback wrote:Disable:
    Health-regeneration Hardcore mode
    Color Correction Venice Unleashed
    3D Spotting Hardcore mode
    Unlimited ammo for Health-Kits Maybe VU cvars or ProCon
    Unlimited ammo for Vehicles Mods
    Unlimited sprint ? Mods
    Killfeed ? - Who reads it anyway Part of UI
    Pointfeed Also part of UI
    Response when player is killed UI
Decrease:
    Sprint Speed Mods
    Maximum Health - Will have to be tested. Can be done by server-settings anyway Mods
    Supression visual ? Venice Unleashed
    Tank-armor in the back - RPG & C4 in the rear should do more damage Mods
    Jump-height Mods
    Sun-glare Venice Unleashed

Increase:
    Respawn-time ProCon
    Weapon Spread ? - Need to compare the games first Mods
    Reload-time Mods
    Spray Penalty Mods
    Spray Penalty when moving Mods
    Jump Penalty Mods
    Squad-size (6) Might be in VU already
    Supression-affection ? VU
    repair-time for vehicles Mods
    Mortar reload-time Mods
    Explosive resupply-time Mods
    Vehicle spawn count ? ProCon


My suggestions are in red.

There are some things which can be done without heavy modding...

"Mods" mean it can be done by creating scripts or Rime modifications since some things are engine-related and need a re-configuration (e.g. reload times, etc).

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Re: What would make BF3 gameplay similar to BF2 gameplay?

Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:46 pm

Kerrigan wrote:

My suggestions are in red.

There are some things which can be done without heavy modding...

"Mods" mean it can be done by creating scripts or Rime modifications since some things are engine-related and need a re-configuration (e.g. reload times, etc).


Oh yeah, I'm aware of that. It's more about what it should include than anything.

mizudg wrote:Excluding the weapon ammo (which is doable since it's in BF4), most of the stuff you requested are in Hardcore mode... which can also be played in a Custom preset if someone were to host it.


It's not as much as a request as it is a suggestion list. I'm doing this myself, but I would just like some more additions.

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Re: What would make BF3 gameplay similar to BF2 gameplay?

Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:32 pm

Please don't say hardcore mode....

What we need is a classic preset with following settings;

3dspotting off
audiospotting off
autospotting off
health regen off
disabling off
suppression off
color grading off
soilder call outs off
6 man sqauds

Rest should be similar to normal preset.

If we want something even closer, I think we need to setup a separate backend so we can keep patching the game with weapon balance, vehicle tweaks, removal off gadgets/weapons and adding maybe a wire-guided weapon system (SRAW) instead off all this lockon we have now.

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Re: What would make BF3 gameplay similar to BF2 gameplay?

Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:03 pm

faddn wrote:Please don't say hardcore mode....


This, cuz hc gives us too low HP.

faddn wrote:Rest should be similar to normal preset.

If we want something even closer, I think we need to setup a separate backend so we can keep patching the game with weapon balance, vehicle tweaks, removal off gadgets/weapons and adding maybe a wire-guided weapon system (SRAW) instead off all this lockon we have now.

No way for weapon balance cuz dice make it client side and pack it inside .cas file with RSA encryption.
Removal off gadgets/weapons should be easy.
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Re: What would make BF3 gameplay similar to BF2 gameplay?

Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:45 pm

Freeshnik wrote:
faddn wrote:Please don't say hardcore mode....


This, cuz hc gives us too low HP.

faddn wrote:Rest should be similar to normal preset.

If we want something even closer, I think we need to setup a separate backend so we can keep patching the game with weapon balance, vehicle tweaks, removal off gadgets/weapons and adding maybe a wire-guided weapon system (SRAW) instead off all this lockon we have now.

No way for weapon balance cuz dice make it client side and pack it inside .cas file with RSA encryption.
Removal off gadgets/weapons should be easy.

It will be possible to modify any file for VU mods.
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Re: What would make BF3 gameplay similar to BF2 gameplay?

Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:42 pm

Freeshnik wrote:This, cuz hc gives us too low HP.

Isn't there any separate command for HP?
In CoD, you got "scr_hardcore" and "scr_player_maxhealth". Aren't there any similar commands on a BF3 server?

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Re: What would make BF3 gameplay similar to BF2 gameplay?

Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:53 pm

hardcore just forces a set of parameters
but you can set them manualy with a config or via Rcon.
You can set the parameters manualy but then the server is running in the custom gamemode and not in hardcore/normal

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Re: What would make BF3 gameplay similar to BF2 gameplay?

Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:36 pm

XuluniX wrote:hardcore just forces a set of parameters
but you can set them manualy with a config or via Rcon.
You can set the parameters manualy but then the server is running in the custom gamemode and not in hardcore/normal


Custom is not good, it is to hard to get a successful classic mod running when you don't have a good preset that find servers forr you.

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